Post by franz on May 3, 2011 1:03:50 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't know if I'm ahead of anybody on rust or not, all I can say with certainty is I've been playing withit for more than 50 years, and fell into some good advice and information over time.
I posted about all I intend to on the subject of electroplating it over at z6.invisionfree.com/ToolBoxTalk/index.php?showtopic=206 and I din't envision posting much more because honestly I've wearied of being told I don't know WTF I'm talking about. Hell I even got a wild hair one day and figured out a pad method for doing the process on a mill table I couldn't submerge, damn near set the building on fire, and then refined the process so it works well.
Might just be I got stubborn when I decided I was going to filter the electrolyte successfully and improve the result. Only 8 years later I did it, then I kicked myself in the ass for not seeing the obvious for 8 years. It just happens that way some times.
Right now the trouble is I don't have enough rusty crap to justify loading my tank this summer. That could change real fast though.
Penetrating oils and rust converting have a lot of similarity. Probably the best penetrant is propane, but using it is a bit of a challenge. The one big problem with either penetrating or converting is everyone wants it yesterday. A lot of years have taught me it didn't rust overnight and it ain't going to fully wet overnight either.
Rust can be very interesting when you sit back and look at it. If you're under any illusion rust isn't a powerful force look at bridge decks and parking structures spalling concrete. Odd thing is we know damn well how to prevent that and triple the life of the structure, but damn few places will do it because Union labor gets to rebuild them and that means campaign money. Fine by me, I'm too old to give a damn, but if you want a concrete driveway apron in front of the garage that'll resist salt and last for 50 years it can be done.
Ever notice how rust is pretty damn open in structure and fairly soft? That pretty much says it can wick if you give it the right viscosity, like water.
I llearned I can work with nature or against, and I learned working with generally delivers better results. I thought I struck gold when everybody had to put out MSDS and I can look them up on line. Buzzardshield was pretty much invented that way. I'd read all sorts of slick copy about Secret Ingredient and superior emulsion and such for a while. One night I read one manufacturer's claim where he dropped the ball and mentioned the highest lanolin content of any. Did a little looking on google and realized the main secret is lanolin. Seems people been using lanolin to protect steel for a damn long time. The rest was just a bit of experimenting and hot damn it works. I ran it past a bud of mine who spent years as chief maintenance pilot for a decent sized company, and he chewed my ear off pointing out what Ihad missed, and how his company sprays barrels full into wheel wells to prevent corrosion.
The product lines that really piss me off are OsPho and POR. Both are just polymeric enamels. They were designed to be a temporary fix for ocean going ships and rigs, something you could use to minimize corrosion until you got to a repair yard, not to be a coating with long survival life. There is simply no way in hell either stays wet long enough to fully wet the rust, but those bastards managed to overmarket hell out of their crap and made a fortune off suckers. Might be I'm stupid, but that is wrong in my book.
Seems like I just wrote alot without tweaking Mark one time, but I'll forgo the opportunity.
I posted about all I intend to on the subject of electroplating it over at z6.invisionfree.com/ToolBoxTalk/index.php?showtopic=206 and I din't envision posting much more because honestly I've wearied of being told I don't know WTF I'm talking about. Hell I even got a wild hair one day and figured out a pad method for doing the process on a mill table I couldn't submerge, damn near set the building on fire, and then refined the process so it works well.
Might just be I got stubborn when I decided I was going to filter the electrolyte successfully and improve the result. Only 8 years later I did it, then I kicked myself in the ass for not seeing the obvious for 8 years. It just happens that way some times.
Right now the trouble is I don't have enough rusty crap to justify loading my tank this summer. That could change real fast though.
Penetrating oils and rust converting have a lot of similarity. Probably the best penetrant is propane, but using it is a bit of a challenge. The one big problem with either penetrating or converting is everyone wants it yesterday. A lot of years have taught me it didn't rust overnight and it ain't going to fully wet overnight either.
Rust can be very interesting when you sit back and look at it. If you're under any illusion rust isn't a powerful force look at bridge decks and parking structures spalling concrete. Odd thing is we know damn well how to prevent that and triple the life of the structure, but damn few places will do it because Union labor gets to rebuild them and that means campaign money. Fine by me, I'm too old to give a damn, but if you want a concrete driveway apron in front of the garage that'll resist salt and last for 50 years it can be done.
Ever notice how rust is pretty damn open in structure and fairly soft? That pretty much says it can wick if you give it the right viscosity, like water.
I llearned I can work with nature or against, and I learned working with generally delivers better results. I thought I struck gold when everybody had to put out MSDS and I can look them up on line. Buzzardshield was pretty much invented that way. I'd read all sorts of slick copy about Secret Ingredient and superior emulsion and such for a while. One night I read one manufacturer's claim where he dropped the ball and mentioned the highest lanolin content of any. Did a little looking on google and realized the main secret is lanolin. Seems people been using lanolin to protect steel for a damn long time. The rest was just a bit of experimenting and hot damn it works. I ran it past a bud of mine who spent years as chief maintenance pilot for a decent sized company, and he chewed my ear off pointing out what Ihad missed, and how his company sprays barrels full into wheel wells to prevent corrosion.
The product lines that really piss me off are OsPho and POR. Both are just polymeric enamels. They were designed to be a temporary fix for ocean going ships and rigs, something you could use to minimize corrosion until you got to a repair yard, not to be a coating with long survival life. There is simply no way in hell either stays wet long enough to fully wet the rust, but those bastards managed to overmarket hell out of their crap and made a fortune off suckers. Might be I'm stupid, but that is wrong in my book.
Seems like I just wrote alot without tweaking Mark one time, but I'll forgo the opportunity.