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Post by franz on Aug 14, 2011 2:27:42 GMT -5
Did a quick look at Lowes site for a pricecheck and every piece of framing lumber is listed as whitewood.
Pine I understand, fur I know about whitewood I never heard of.
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Post by tech4 on Aug 14, 2011 13:13:01 GMT -5
I am no wood worker or carpenter but I always thought it was SPF spruce-pine-fir (not Douglas fir). I think most of the whitewood around here is Canadian spruce that is soft. I don't use whitewood for anything load bearing or subject to weather as it rots fast. I had a wood bench in the yard made out of whitewood and I stained and sealed it but if only lasted a couple of years. It sure is not this good old Georgia yellow pine that weighs a ton.
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Post by markkw on Aug 15, 2011 7:19:07 GMT -5
Tech4 is right, whitewood is one of those generic terms that can mean a bunch of different things depending on who's using it and in what context. To the yanks, it can mean anything in the generic everygreen family. Get into the upper south and it can mean anything in the evergreen family along with Popular & Magnolia. In the deep south it's Cottonwood, Popular but not common evergreens. The city slickers will often refer to "limed wood" as "whitewood" no matter what kind of wood it is.
T4 is wrong on one thing, it's not "yellow pine", it's "yeller" or "yelluh" but never "yellow"
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Post by tech4 on Aug 15, 2011 7:57:24 GMT -5
Mark, you are speaking South Georgia in North Georgia it is "yallar pine"
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Post by markkw on Aug 16, 2011 7:09:51 GMT -5
Mark, you are speaking South Georgia in North Georgia it is "yallar pine" You are correct sir ... I prefer to hang out with the " clow-rocks" and " poe-lease" crowd.  |
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Post by franz on Aug 16, 2011 22:47:21 GMT -5
A little further research indicates this barely compressed straw Lowes calls whitewood can be anything from basswood to poplar or any other crap a sawmill decided to cut rather than chip for pulp.
No damn wonder houses fall apart at 6 years.
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Post by nutrivet on Aug 17, 2011 23:23:55 GMT -5
"whitewood" sounds like trouble. The base wood in the east was "heart pine" for beams and t/g roof and floor underlayment. It may be well to go to a recycle type place and pull some nails and get "real wood". This type pine has more structural strength than oak. Imbedded with its oil it is resistant to insect infiltration. I wanted to puke seeing examples where houses from the 1930's were taken down and all this strong wood went to landfills or whatever.
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Post by markkw on Aug 19, 2011 19:26:36 GMT -5
"whitewood" I wanted to puke seeing examples where houses from the 1930's were taken down and all this strong wood went to landfills or whatever. And there you have the great Americal disposable society mentality - just throw it away and buy new ... you can do anything you want except to have respect for the blessings provided by our Divine and most generous Creator. |
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Post by todd on Sept 4, 2011 14:17:08 GMT -5
I know this is an old post but I had to add this. I am sure this is common in most places but in case it is not, how about this? Our local jurisdictions will FAIL any inspection if used material is used for any of the structural rough in. Stuff like trusses, studs, joists, floor and wall sheathing. Can't have any dry rot or water damaged product you know. I get it. They don't want people scavenging old burned out houses and the like or using weakened steel beams from the same type of structure. But how about folks who are timber framing new homes? Good luck finding ANY large sized beams for that sort of structure and when you do you are going to PAY. Retasking old barn and house beams are great because these things are dried, cured, and as straight as they are ever going to be. They are usually hard as iron(seemingly) and there is no chance of them giving way. Fat chance of using them. I think you can use retasked material for finishing inside but even that gets dodgy with this bunch. More gub'ment saving us from ourselves.
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Post by nutrivet on Nov 3, 2011 8:09:17 GMT -5
Old or not this post is important. i like many have attempted to save old beams and wood parts like anything because I knew it was good. All I needed was a semi permanent enclosure on my own property to do this. I sunk 4X4s in concrete between the house and tall fence to keep my beams and wood above ground with storage underneath. All the time trying to comply for there was no permanent roof. It was tarps, steel panels, plastic anything. I was trying to save some 100 yr old beams for my future barn and all the while the future becomes more bleak. Stuff rots under useless porous tarps . Total waste of many beams. What is the flying curse of having a rack of wood with a permanent roof ? In the end they take it or fine you for having it. Recycle society, my a$$ ,they do everything to prevent that.
In the end when they raid my entire bowles of my yard.. They take anything aluminum, copper of worth. Long lintle beams, I beams, stainless. conduit, tools cabinets. Cast iron panels from my WW2 navy lathe. Panels from the White deisel generator which powered Wash DC communications in commercial electricity failure thru two World Wars. They Take all that. That is debri. They leave me with the rotted corpse of trying to comply. The denailed portions of heart pine and bead board from the 1930's only recently removed is taken. firewood is left for me to dispose of. I'm cited for an unstable porch covering and I have all the new aluminum awnings and (cast supports sitting at my back door) aluminum parts and wood And They TAKE IT ALL! They take anything of worth including downspouts, gutters and all the while I'm in trouble for not having these things UP. they were murdered during the last storms. 4' of snow and limbs crashing all around. So they Take them because they are aluminum. Take them right off the rack behind the awnings and car parts and mag wheels they also take. Much more yet in the end I'm charged 3600$ for the pleasure. The three trips and a rollback by me and cost to make my little space look like the Somalia they intend is nothing. They add my cost to theirs and bill me for it. It is by the time I receive this bill, it was sent four months after the flash mob robbery and assault upon my property, it is only then I know who the "agent", co defendant, is. It's a landscaper LLc . from another county. The invoice says the work was performed 6/24 yet by witness' and myself there was nothing left to steal. my neigbor said they showed up with a trailer and dumptruck again and looked around and just left. There was Nothing. I was charged over $3600 FOR THAT DAY OF SERVICE ! I thought they were still High Fiving each other over what they pulled out of me.
The actual date of "servicing" me was 1 1/2 months before, around Mother's day.
It gets better then worse. It dissolves into cruel irony. the invoice arrives in my hands five days before it is due. There are the veiled threats of lein and interest and entire different departments taking up fees and interest if not paid by this date.
Their date of "service" was when they arrived with trailer and truck and found nothing to take (and certainly no work to perform) so they just left.
The invoice shows 25% charges to things which look time related; As in, receiving a bill for ripoff 3 months after they say it happened. This was payed.
So two weeks After a receipt of payment I receive another bill from collections dept. anyway. This time it's $4100. It cites appendage #s and things i cannot understand yet still related to this case which becomes a permit # which becomes a money hole for some and bankrutpcy to another. So I actually get a call back and confirmation that these were one and the same. The whole deal is canceled and gone by the earlier payment.
So I'm to sit comfortable by being ripped by $3600 and buck it up for I've received "verbal" assurance it is all over. (closed, done deal, paid already. shut up)
Except, even if this was logical $500 increase over 2 weeks must have something to do with unknown charges over 4 months. I don't believe this is ever over. Is it just me or are You crazy. Nah just me.
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Post by nutrivet on Nov 3, 2011 9:21:14 GMT -5
Btw... The invasion and service cost for all this effort was in a space 12' X14' The rack was left as was the machine they call a tractor. The base of the Oliver jointer planer was left, they just took all the tables and sections. The base and sump of a parts washer(they just ripped off the SS top section) was left because it contained degreasing fluids which like old paint, I had to take to various places. Three trips within a short time after yard chemicals were exposed and I felt something may be coming my way... to naught for it was like the meter was running the whole time. The whole time I'm mowing and wishing I had that bagger attachment they took, the meter was running. Bigf class action suit waiting to happen if they don't bleed you to death first.
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